Comments on: Answering common objections to the faith: a God who endorses genocide? /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/ News and happenings from around Gospel.com Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:17:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.2 By: David /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-60298 Tue, 07 Sep 2010 14:58:11 +0000 /blog/?p=4591#comment-60298 Amen! I had never appreciated what God did for His people in this way.. Actually I also read a few days after my initial post some verses very similar to what you mentioned: “Be careful to hear all these words which I command you, so that it may be well with you and your sons after you forever, for you will be doing what is good and right in the sight of the LORD your God. When Jehovah your God cuts off before you the nations which you are going in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, be careful that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire of their gods, saying, How do these nations serve their gods, and I may do likewise? You shall not do so towards Jehovah your God, for every abomination to Jehovah, which He hates, they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.” (Deut 12:28-31) Idolatry is not only an affront to God but also involves a terrible devotion to evil and the evil one, hence it is really God’s mercy that He removes such evil, so that those who would receive Him may be freed from the bondage of evil, and may enjoy true freedom and rest.

And remember, not all out of Israel are Israel, but God shall call those not His people, His people, for the same Lord of all is rich to all who call upon His name. Praise Him!

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By: Christopher Lund /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-57112 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:47:13 +0000 /blog/?p=4591#comment-57112 I wish I had a full and complete answer to this question, but of course I don’t. But perhaps I have a small piece of an answer.

In Deuteronomy 9:4-6, the Israelites are getting ready to enter Canaan for the second time, and Moses says [my paraphrase]: “God is not giving you this land because you’re so great. You’re a stubborn, stiff-necked people. God is doing this because they are so wicked”.

In Ezekiel 18, God twice says (vs. 23 and 32) that he does not enjoy the death of the wicked, but prefers when they turn from their wickedness.

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Now consider Numbers 14 in light of these two passages. In Numbers 14, the Israelites have explored Canaan for the first time. They see giants there, and the people freak out. “We’re going to die if we try to fight these people, the Lord can’t do anything for us, let’s pick a new leader and go back to Egypt”.

And God, after some initial anger, says “I forgive them, but aside from Caleb and Joshua, not one of these people is going to live in Canaan”.

And the people are like “wait our bad we’re willing to fight now”, but God isn’t willing to fight with them. The Canaanites beat the Israelites BADLY in their first battle, and the Israelites couldn’t try again for 40 years.

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God had just killed a LOT of Egyptians to get the Israelites out of Egypt. A LOT. First the people pelted with hail, then all the firstborn children of Egypt, and finally Pharaoh’s army. And now the Israelites wanted to go BACK?!

I don’t think God took the Egyptians’ deaths lightly. I’m inferring, of course. But God had killed so many Egyptians, and inflicted so much suffering on the Egyptians, to get the Israelites out of there, and he was planning on killing even more Canaanites than Egyptians. And the Israelites didn’t really care! They wanted to go back to Egypt! They weren’t sure they wanted to go into Canaan! All those deaths of all those people meant nothing to the Israelites . . . but I think they meant something to God.

Which is why he kept treating the Israelites so harshly when the Israelites rebelled! If Israel wasn’t going to trust him, wasn’t going to follow him, then their lives weren’t worth more to him than Canaanite or Egyptian lives, and he’s just as soon kill the Israelites in the desert than kill the Canaanites living comfortably in their homes. Only when they were somewhat actually willing to bear the title of “God’s people” was God willing to kill anybody else to make a place for them. And then every time Israel went back on their covenant with God, God was more than willing to give the land to somebody else (Babylon, Assyria, Rome, etc.) who might do better with it.

So I guess my partial answer is that God didn’t take the genocide lightly, and felt the death of all those Canaanite and Egyptian people dearly . . . but that he still thought it was worth the incredible cost, still knew that he could do something better than he could otherwise.

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By: David /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-56412 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:07:25 +0000 /blog/?p=4591#comment-56412 God surely is righteous, and when all the inhabitants of a city were killed according to God’s command, we can be sure that none of them would ever turn to Him. As for those who would, He did save them! One was Rahab, through whom even Christ was born! (Matt 1:5) “By faith Rahab the harlot did not perish with the ones who did not believe, having received the spies with peace.” (Hebrews 11:31) She turned to God and was saved, even becoming one of the children of Israel and thus also partaking of all that God gave to the nation of Israel.

Many times our questionings of God simply stem from a stubborn denial of Him. When He allows some evil to go unpunished in this world, we say, “How can a good and all-powerful God allow evil to exist?”. But when He executes judgement upon evil, we say, “How can a loving God command His people to kill?” We just do not want Him to exist! That is, until He makes Himself known to us in His mercy and grace, and we accept Him, and there is no more doubt, but peace in faith.

Luke 7
31 What then will I liken the men of this generation? And what are they like?
32 They are like children, the ones sitting in the marketplace and calling to one another and saying, We played the flute to you and you did not dance, we mourned to you and you did not weep.
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine and you say, He has a demon.
34 The Son of Man came eating and drinking; and you say, Behold, a man, a glutton and drinker, a friend of tax-collectors and sinners!
35 And wisdom was justified from all her children.

Acts 28
25 Moreover, being in disagreement towards one another, they were leaving, Paul having said one word that, The Holy Spirit spoke well through Isaiah the prophet towards your fathers,
26 Saying, Go towards this people and say, Hearing you will hear and never understand, and looking you will look and never see:
27 For the heart of this people was fattened and the ears heard heavily and their eyes they closed, lest they might see by the eyes and might hear by the ears and might understand by the heart and might turn back and I will heal them.
28 Therefore be it known to you that, to the nations the salvation of God was sent; they will hear.
(Paul quoted from Isaiah 6:9-10)

However, to act presumptuously without God’s explicit command is far worse than to sin consciously knowing full well that God disapproves, because to say “God says…” when God did not is to usurp God’s authority and make Him a liar. Let us hold first to what God put first: You will love the Lord your God in your whole heart and in your whole soul and in your whole mind. This is the first and great commandment, moreover the second is like it: You will love your neighbour as yourself.

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By: Adam /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-56167 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:08:37 +0000 /blog/?p=4591#comment-56167 Does God still command us to destroy sinners?

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By: Eugenia M Brown /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-45341 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 14:12:13 +0000 /blog/?p=4591#comment-45341 06/03/2010 Thursday 0908AM
God is still the loving father that I was introduced to when I became of age to make my own life’s decision. The God that I know lets it rain
on the just and the unjust.
Ms Eugenia M Brown Houston Texas

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By: Amy /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-43538 Fri, 14 May 2010 16:14:43 +0000 /blog/?p=4591#comment-43538 Joel is so right about the how people’s perception in those ancient times affected how they viewed God. Warfare was viewed differently back then, and also how people viewed “gods” in general. There are strange descriptions in the Old Testament, saying God had burning anger, that He regretted decisions He made, and things like that don’t seem to be in the character of God.
But Tanner Blankenship is also right, in that the Canaanites were so evil that even other people at that time thought they were the epitome of all things bad. God warned them, then He brought judgment.
Any good parent knows that love without discipline is not true love.

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By: Paradise /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-43484 Fri, 14 May 2010 03:43:56 +0000 /blog/?p=4591#comment-43484 the groups/people that God commanded to be destroyed in the OT were sinners to the max… who were going to live many years, they worshiped other gods, disobeyed God Almighty and there was no way they could be saved… they didn’t care, they could have trusted in God Almighty but, they didn’t… in the OT God warned the people constantly to turn from their evil ways. They had to be destroyed to question God is totally out of line… He is our creator and His ways are higher than our ways. God is a good god.

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By: Kevin /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-43408 Thu, 13 May 2010 05:40:16 +0000 /blog/?p=4591#comment-43408 One other thing to consider is that those children that have reached the age of accountability are sinners, at committing their first sin in that state, deserving of death as are we all.

And although born with a sin nature, those who have not reached the age of knowing good from evil are gathered into the presence of God as part of His Kingdom.
This point of witness about the nature of God’s Holy character as compared to man’s depravity must be emphasized to bring understanding to why God would have to kill some bent on evil to lovingly preserve alive many more who would otherwise be overwhelmed by that projected magnified evil if allowed to continue as would be more characteristic of an unloving deity.

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By: Kevin /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-43396 Thu, 13 May 2010 00:47:18 +0000 /blog/?p=4591#comment-43396 As with any war situation, the good guys, in this case the ultimate good Guy, will always seek to fight in such a way that it does the minimal damage necessary to quell the evil forces. Notice that the slaughter incidents in canaan were quite limited to certain people groups in a limited place and time. As most mentioned above, God knew what was needed to restrain the evil to the extent it needed to be. Killing everyone was never the rule but the exception to the exceptional circumstance. Love must act to put down evil for the greater good toward others.

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By: shad /blog/index.php/2010/05/07/answering-objections-to-the-faith-a-god-who-endorses-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-43265 Tue, 11 May 2010 04:25:31 +0000 /blog/?p=4591#comment-43265 God never ordered the destruction of both inocent and evil in the land. He always put the different and offer option of escape for both evil and good in the land. Example- time of sodom and Gomorah,and all the evil nations that refused to heed to His warnings. God’s Love and love doesn’t hurt any. Mankind is either make or marred by their choice, that’s why Joshua said to Isrealites “Chose ye this day who you will serve, as for me and my house we will serve the living God”.

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