Comments on: Do you believe in the Trinity? /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/ News and happenings from around Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:17:29 +0000 hourly 1 By: (another) David /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-55516 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:24:23 +0000 /blog/?p=2085#comment-55516 This is a rather belated post, but though I know the perils of raising this issue again, I hope we can all agree with Nicholas, and with that in mind I present an extremely brief summary of my interpretation:
Is the Father God? Yes. Is the Son God? Yes. Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes. Is Jesus Christ the Son of God? Yes. Is Jesus Christ the Lord? Yes. But the Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Father, and neither of them are the Spirit, and the Spirit is neither of them. But I believe even these or the doctrine of the Triune God are not necessary for us to understand God, because He has already revealed Himself in the best way through the Scriptures:
The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father. The Father and the Son are one. Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came in the flesh. The Lord Jesus also spoke about the Holy Spirit not in one or two sentences but in many verses that have to be understood as a whole. Once He even cried out to everyone about coming to Him to drink, and John wrote that He spoke about the Spirit, which was not yet, because He had not yet been glorified. Later Paul wrote, “the first man Adam became a living soul, the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit”, and also “the Lord is the Spirit”, “and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.” The Scriptures identify Christ very clearly with God but never says things like “Christ is the Father” or “the Holy Spirit was crucified” or “the Father became flesh”. So let the Lord speak through His own Word to us, and let us search it and see if what we are taught is indeed the truth in the Word.

By: Pat F. /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-40913 Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:17:21 +0000 /blog/?p=2085#comment-40913 I have found all of this interesting as I am now studying the “Trinity” as it exists in Scripture. In my early lessons, I was taught: The reason we needed to be saved is because we (man) sinned against God (broke His rules in the Garden of Eden). The only way we (mortal man) could be saved is by the sacrifice of one of our own (again, mortal man). So Jesus was born of woman (making Him a mortal man) to make the sacrifice required. God is not man and man is not God. But God’s spirit brought about a virgin birth (this makes Him the Son of God) and given His humanity..He could atone for our sins. All that being said..Faith is required for all beliefs and yet it is the most difficult to deliver. Either you have it..or you don’t. I cannot give you faith, no one can..But according to the Scriptures…he who believeth in Him, he will be saved. Keep His commandments and believe in Him…thank you and God bless..

By: SlickRick /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-39110 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:53:02 +0000 /blog/?p=2085#comment-39110 I find it very interesting that people are having such a hard time with the overall sequence of events. (ie the creation of Jesus, when and how the world was created.) Believing that Jesus is God (Yaweh)is an incredeble idea. Yes it is true that Jesus and God created all of the earth and the heavens together, but this does not mean they a triune god. even Jesus himself states this at numerous points. The bible is very clear about the time of creation for Jesus Christ. In Proverbs 8:22-31 (NIV) it speaks of Jesus being brought forth as the “first of his works.” verse 23 goes on to say “I was appointed from eternity (GOD) , from the beginning, before the world began.” So when I hear that people are pointing to the creation of the world in Genisis saying, “here, here, don’t you see it says WE created the earth,” I realize that while this statement is true, the person saying it believes Jesus, and GOD are one god because they believe the beginning of all time is the same as the beginning of our times. (ie. the creation of earth.) Please understand that what you are reading today is not always what was originally written, and that our bible books are NOT in chronilogical order. To believe that either of these are truths is at your disadvantage.

My second point that I would like to take the time to make is to all of the those who say that by not claiming Jesus is GOD we are taking away Jesus’ purpose, power, or our personal love for him. To this I say, who are you to know what is in my heart? The bible states, Who are you to judge another mans servant? I love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and I realize the message that he came to earth to give to us. I KNOW that he died for my sins, but even he does not claim to be the one true GOD, only the Son of God. John 14:28-31 Jesus directly says, “for the Father is greater than I.” If the trinity is bringing true glory to GOD, and all of these “Persons” within the Trinity are co-existent, and co-equal, than why is there so much evidence of the creation of Jesus (God has never had a beginning,) and that the Father is greater than the son, even in Jesus own words?

There are too many biblical contradictions. We are not here nor were we made for the glory of one another, ourselves, or any human being on earth, we were only made for the glory of our father, and so is the case with all things created. Please READ your bible! Listen to the words of GOD! He has perfectly revealed to us what we need for our salvation through his son Christ Jesus.

By: Nicholas /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-39014 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:05:14 +0000 /blog/?p=2085#comment-39014 Many varied and interesting approaches to this subject. I can’t say I’m not disappointed by the doctrinal segregation I see going on here, however. Are we not all supposed to be a part of the Body of Christ? I know some of you would claim that others of you are not even saved because of the understanding and beliefs they hold concerning the trinity (or lack there of) issue.

I propose this: If we can all agree that Jesus is God’s answer to our problem. We have all sinned and fallen short of God’s glory. Salvation can only be found in believing in Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. One day EVERYONE will confess Jesus is LORD and bow before him. These are things that have or will happen. If we can all agree on this, then I assure you we are all saved AND that we are all a part of Christ’s body. Therefore we should love one another. If I hear words like “fool” brandied about towards anyone, whether saved or not, then the speaker needs to check his own spirit and make sure he is right with God.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with applying human terms to things scriptural in order to better understand them, as long as we don’t put our terms above the ONE they are trying to understand. Is the word rapture in the Bible? No. But what it describes, is that in the Bible? Yes. Is the word trinity in the Bible? No. But the three key players to our existence and salvation, are they in the Bible? Yes.

Don’t let the things of man separate you from the love of God, whether they are right or wrong. Love God FIRST with everything you got. Love you neighbor second. If this discussion is causing you to fail in either of the two above areas, you should just forget about it, or cut if off from your life, as Jesus would recommend.

By: Amanda /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-38970 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:23:58 +0000 /blog/?p=2085#comment-38970 It states God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit(Ghost) which is one in three which is what makes up the trinity

By: walking by faith /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-36623 Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:01:23 +0000 /blog/?p=2085#comment-36623 If we could fathom Yehovah’s ways what would make Him God of ALL. For every knee is going to bow and every tongue is going to confess that He is LORD. Our human minds are limited by our flesh. Faith in Him allows our spirit man to believe stuff that makes no sense to a mortal man. Faith allows us to walk not by sight and allows us to hope. If Eve would have trusted Yehovah’s words to be true, His Word not have to have become flesh and die so that we may live, and His Holy Spirit left here to be our comforter and teacher. HIS TRUTH is not rationalized it is believed because of our faith. Someone my disagree with merely a statement, but if you want to know the truth ask Him and He will teach you because it is His will for us to know the truth. The truth is the only thing that will set the captive free. Yehovah is not author of confusion and He most definitely He is not a liar. Our conviction of His Word will come straight from Him. Trust Him and believe. May Yehovah have mercy on anyone leads His children astray for their blood will be their hands.

By: ted /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-36545 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:42:48 +0000 /blog/?p=2085#comment-36545 Interestingly the word TRINITY nor idea is nowhere in the Bible.
if it were a fact wouldn’t you think it would be plainly stated, instead it says.
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
1.Mark 10:18
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
Mark 10:17-19
2.Luke 18:19
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
Luke 18:18-20
Hebrews 5:8
Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered
Why and How could God Learn obedience to anyone?
Or learn from anyone for that matter.
Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
****Interesting that
God (Jehovah) The father , on many ocassions sent the son or sent the spirit but no hwere does ANYONE send the Father. How is that if they are equal?
Wouldn’t you think it would at least say somewhere
God the son or God the Holy Spirit or the very least God the father, distinquising a difference and yet the same.
Peope use those expressions a lot today but why does the Bible leave that statement out.
Could it be because Yahweh or Jehovah is the only Almighty GOD.
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 (New International Version)

4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. 5.For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6.yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Luke 22:42
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
Why would it not be his will also if they were the same.
Why did he even have to pray to someone else, if he were GOD?

Acts 2:33
Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

Really, God sat at the right hand of himself? and if he were God How was he exalted?
Acts 7:56
“Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” Again saw in heven next to god.
Why is there NO vision of a trinity?? A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
Also The Father is jehovah, the son is Jesus, what is the Holy Spirits name? if it is god or person? (The Holy Spirit is NOT a name but a title just as son of father.
And if you were wanting to express to mankind you had an equal but seperate person or personality wouldn’t you more likely use a term like brother or twin?
And the list of questions goes on, but I can’t touch on them all here.
Just a few points to reason on, hope you take this well, hinestly,open minded,and with humility.

By: keith /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-35359 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:19:36 +0000 /blog/?p=2085#comment-35359 matt and david, are you guys for real? you both are so convinced, and talk all that mess about the trinity, but you have no scriptures to support your belief. Matt ‘the genuis’ did mention john 8:58 though. wow! one scripture to base your belief on. And who said you werent smart. do a little research. there are bibles that have that verse translated correct. look up this verse in the AT, NTW, MO, CBW, or the SE. instead of ‘i am’ its translated ‘i existed’ or ‘i have been’ , they all convey the same idea. so which rendering agrees with the context? the question of the jews (vs 57) which jesus was replying had to do with age, not identity. jesus reply logically delt with his age, the length of his existence.

By: Richard K. /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-28268 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:48:24 +0000 /blog/?p=2085#comment-28268 We have one military, yet the Army, Navy (Marines included here), and Air Force each have separate functions. Each branch performs its mission without trying to do the job of another branch although each has the power to do the job itself. For instance, if an airstrike is needed, Navy pilots are just as capable as Air Force pilots, but since it is the Air Force’s job, they are the ones called upon. The Holy Trinity is much like this. Each part is the same God (each branch is part of the same military), but an infinant God occupies three different beings (since we are not infinite, we can only occupy one being). Each being has infinite power, but only does its job, and allows the other beings to do theirs. I hope this helps.

By: Richard K. /blog/index.php/2009/09/04/do-you-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-28267 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:40:59 +0000 /blog/?p=2085#comment-28267 In Matthew 19:16-17 Jesus was pointing to the oxymoron in the man’s title of Jesus. He was telling the man to either believe that he was God (and not call him a teacher) or believe him to be a man (then don’t call him good). Jesus was not refering commenting on how he saw himself, but rather letting the man know that he had to choose, he could not have it both ways.