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Ron Hutchcraft Ministries - Too Close to the Edge - #4853
Suicide is also the ultimate act of selfishness toward the people who love you. They'll never recover from the awful agony of this decision. Don't do this to them. And suicide is the ultimate waste of the life Jesus gave His life for. He didn't die on that cross just to have you throw away the life He gave everything for. One last thing -- suicide is the ultimate surrender to the devil who hates you.
http://hutchcraft.com/A-Word-With-You/Your-Hindrances/Too-Close-to-the-Edge-4853
Topics:
Depression, Death, Psalms, John, Suicide, Your Hindrances, Weariness
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Today I was shocked to hear a preacher in our area had shot himself in the head in front of his wife…she was having a relationship outside of her marriage…This is why he did this???
Our preacher opened with…today is a sad day,the preacher of (blank) passed and is with the Lord…Then he prayed for the church and the family of this preacher…It was later that I found out what really happen…
Our preacher lead all to believe he was with the Lord??? He did not state HOW the preacher died ,yet claimed he was with the Lord????
If those that knew him …knew he did this…Then doesn’t that say that my preacher stated if you kill yourself and you are a christian then you are with the Lord???
I know God is Judge…I just have a hard time believing if you do this you go to heaven…
SUICIDE IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC SENTENCE TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STUDY YOUR BIBLE AND QUIT PUTTING OUT GARBAGE LIKE THIS THAT TURNS PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with the idea that suicide is the ultimate act of selfishness and that it is a waste of a life that Jesus Christ died for. However, it is important to note that depression is a serious illness and not one that an individual can help if the brain has a chemical inbalance. We will all likely die with some unconfessed sin in our lives and the key to understanding where an individual will spend eternity is did they accept The Lord with their head or their heart. If they did so with their heart then it was real and once you are borned again, become a child of God, He will never leave you nor forsake you.
My friends. The reality? some pain will always be too great for some people. We were never designed to bear up under the weight of this world alone or to keep our pain buried. God wants us to be real with each other, not just give pat answers of “I’m fine” and walk away. It will destroy us. This is why God’s word tells us to stay connected to a body of believers and explains the very nature of our enemy.
Hebrews 10:24-26 (NIV) 24And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. 25Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. 26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
As every soldier knows: to be alone, disconnected an and separated by the enemy is not a position of strength. Our unwillingess to face the humiliating messiness of our own sin let alone our brothers is shameful fact. Why talk about our enemy prowling and a common suffering in all places and in all things? About being connected as if it mattered?
1 Peter 5:7-9 (NIV)7Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you. 8Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
The reality is that depression doesn’t specifically cause suicide, neither does hopelessness, but being disconnected, false, hopeless, shamed and in pain can lead to it. When we’ve build a house of cards and see it topling down, we have two choices: get real or get gone. If there were a specific cause to suicide however, we’d never hear that silly phrase “he seemed fine”
Is suicide selfish…Yes. Is it an act of anger…Yes. Is it an act of hopelessness and pain…Yes. All of the above. Do I want my final act on this planet to be to shake my fist in the face of my creator and say, What you made is bad, the hope you offer me is a lie, your promise to take vengence on those who hurt me was false and when you promised to work all things out for my good, that was just wishful thinking? NO.
That being said. I know the absolute pain of feeling that I’m standing at the bottom of an abyss so deep and dark that there appears to be no escape. To feel there is nothing that will ever make things better. Nothing that will ever take away the pain. Thankfully I also know that at the end of that place of brokeness is a mighty God, full of light, He sets me free.
The reality is that God never promises us a pain free life or that other Christians will be perfect. Pain is real but so is God. Our Christian duty is to not walk away from that brother dangling by his fingertip after the first “how are you/fine” but to reach past that to “I will never let you go. I will never give up on you. I see your pain, your weakness and I still love you. MY GOD LOVES YOU just like He loves me.” My guess is the pastor & his wife never were REAL with their congregation. Never felt they could share their pain. Would they have been rejected if they had been? Only God knows.
Apparently that man truely believed he had no way out except to try to force someone see the pain he felt. You see, we act upon our true beliefs. Did his wife’s selfishness drive him to kill himself? Again only God knows. He demonstrated his abject despondance but also his focus. Not on his savior but on sin. Do we take our eyes off our God? Yes. And when we do we sink just like Peter. This is why we’re told to remember God’s word, write it on our heart, meditate on it. etc. God’s word says that even the demons believe and they sudder. Our belief has to be deeper then a mental acknowledgement.
Do we serve a God who is righteous judge? Yes He will judge all sin. Do we server a God who saw a vile, hate filled, pathetic people and in His infinate mercy and love placed himself willingly in our place. Yes.
Is that pastor in heaven? I don’t know. Was it unbelief that motivated him? Hate? Anger? Selfishness? Unbearable pain? again, I don’t know. Our motives are never pure and frankly its too late to pray for him since he’s made his ultimate choice, there’s no going back to discover God’s goodness and mercy. Judas made the same decision. Peter did not. Both men betrayed their savior.
Friend, I admonish you, be real be genuine and open to others. Ask your pastor, where HIS walk is. Allow him to be human, shaken and real and when he needs to morn the loss, let him! He may not know the right thing to say. He may be speaking out of his own dejected hope that his friend is with the Lord. Be his support.
We cannot really know if that final act separates someone from God. I think it depends on a lot of factors. How about being real enough with each other at church so that when someone walks in, falls to their knees and says “I’ve lost all hope” we take them gently by the hand and say, “Come with me, I’ve found Him”.
Lawrie P.
Thanks for your words but what do i do if i really lost hope if i can not trust anyone anymore. I am tired of hoping, of trusting to have that trust betrayed. It’s not that i don’t believe in god im just tired of promise that never come to pass. Is that a sin to just want to go home?
For Stephie, God is ultimate and should be the only one we should trust. Then as for Jillie,who told you that suicide is not an automatic sentence to hell. It is murder and murderers go to hell!!!!!!! Pls neva say that again in the name of not wanting to chase people out of church, the truth remains the truth.
THE TRUTH?!? Does that mean Moses and David went to hell! The TRUTH is “a PERSONAL relationship with Christ.” The ULTIMATE sin is “not excepting Christ as your Savior” while your alive because after death it’s too late. Saying that suicide sends someone to hell is saying it’s a sin Christ’s blood cannot cover. There is NO sin too great for that! There was a time several years ago when I could have been swayed by such belief. However, I’ve grown a great deal in Christ now and you can’t EVEN begin to lead me to believe that! I happened upon this site today while looking for a bit of encouragement… Didn’t find it! All I found was CONDEMNATION! I can understand some of the comments made by people feeling hopless when this kind of article (if I can even call it that) is what they have found. Don’t have such a fickle faith!
I have had two experiences with people I know committing suicide. One was the 30 year old son of a very close friend who suffered from Wilson’s disease. This is a disease where the body cannot get rid of copper in the blood and it affects major organs…including the brain. He SUFFERED all he could. Just yesterday my sisters 80 something year old father-in-law took his life. He had open heart surgery in Feb. and had struggled to recover ever since. He heart keep getting weaker. He couldn’t lie down at night to sleep because his lungs would fill with fluid. He was in and out of the hospital – too many times to remember how many. My sister mentioned to me a week or so ago that he was not talking right…used different words than he intended. His 80 yr. old wife was staying up with him all night, and his sons and daughters-in-laws were stayin with them … he knew the end was close. Both of these men were Great Christian men in their communities. Both of STRONG faith. You say they went to hell? I believe they both were not able to live in their physical bodies that were greatly failing them…they knew where they were going and I’ll bet they talked to God about it before they did it! The 30 yr old kept journals about his faith and life. Their relationships with Christ was PERSONAL….death of any kind could not seperate them from God.
spurlock4
Thank you for your input. I’m getting ready to go comfort a friend from a few years past. I just learned that his wife committed suicide. I’m trying to understand it myself. I’m praying for God’s guidance.
I am at a point in my life where my finances have spun out of control. I feel like no matter what I do I can’t get out of this hole that I am in. I can’t tell my husband because I don’t want to dissapoint him or get him so angry at me. I just feel like I am worth more dead than alive, the reason that I don’t do it is because of my children, but this is really bringing me down, I just want to give up and end it, but I love my children and my husband is my world. I am just tired of dissappointing my husband
Lcar02 I feel the same way. My kiddos are the only reason why I won’t do it, I just want to end the pain and stress. I don’t know what to do anymore…I feel like nothing is ever going to get any better. I feel like I’m not able to give them everything they deserve, maybe I should just end it so that they will be able to live with a family that can give them everything.
Not to pretend I know it all, which I don’t, but to those people who say that you won’t go to hell if you commit suicide I’m not sure that’s true. The way I think of it is this: Murder is a sin. Suidcide is murdering yourself. Suicide is murder. You can’t get into heaven if you have unconfessed sin. Sure, Jesus’ blood was enough to cover it, but if you shoot yourself in the head and die instantly, how can you confess that sin? So if you can’t confess of that sin before you die, then how can you get into heaven if you sinned to get there? You know what I mean? That’s why I say you can’t get into heaven if you murder yourself.
I know how it is to want to kill yourself. Really I do. So don’t think I’m being insensitive. But trust me, there is another way to take care of your pain. I’m not gonna share my whole story, but I will just say that everything in my life feel apart, and I was getting yelled at all the time for any little thing I did. I was really tired of it, and remember sitting in my room wanting to die. But I realized that suicide is just a fancy name for murder, and told God to get me out of the mess or I was gonna do it. It took awhile, but He did. If you are struggling with thoughts of suicide, I want to tell you that there IS a way out, and its NOT by killing yourself. Trust me. Actually don’t trust me. Trust God to take you through it. He will, even if it takes awhile.
Haha, and you people call yourself christians? What can separate me from the love of God? Suicide? Murder? Sin? Its funny cause God said NOTHING can separate me from the love of God. Who can snatch me out of the hand of Jesus? Suicide? The devil? You people? Jesus said NO ONE can snatch from his hand, who the Father has given him… all I see here is the blind trying to lead the blind!
John 10:10 (New International Version, ©2011)
10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full